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Myky D
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« on: July 01, 2018, 06:57:36 am »

Are we witnessing the start of the second American Civil War?
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Rasta
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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2018, 01:48:07 pm »

No.
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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2018, 02:50:41 pm »

No.

Agreed.

A few people will be louder than they used to be about things but even this crap will start to fade out of the limelight.  The American right has put itself in a precarious position.  By creating boogeymen of everyone south of the border and taking credit for an economy that had yet to be affected by their policies they've set up an impossible to maintain balance of blame and credit.

When there's no foreigners getting in to steal our jobs they won't have anyone to blame and when tariffs don't bring more money the working class they won't have anything to take credit for.  Right now conservatives have riled up the red hat crowd but one of the reasons no logical politician has taken this route before is because it's short sighted.  Once they're out of ammo, it's over.

People on the left already see Red Hen as an act of decency and people on the right aren't going to care so much fairly soon.
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2018, 09:21:36 am »

Agreed.

A few people will be louder than they used to be about things but even this crap will start to fade out of the limelight.  The American right has put itself in a precarious position.  By creating boogeymen of everyone south of the border and taking credit for an economy that had yet to be affected by their policies they've set up an impossible to maintain balance of blame and credit.

When there's no foreigners getting in to steal our jobs they won't have anyone to blame and when tariffs don't bring more money the working class they won't have anything to take credit for.  Right now conservatives have riled up the red hat crowd but one of the reasons no logical politician has taken this route before is because it's short sighted.  Once they're out of ammo, it's over.

People on the left already see Red Hen as an act of decency and people on the right aren't going to care so much fairly soon.

Aye.

I think that the bulk of the American population, politically speaking, lies on the old Bell Curve. Most tend to lean right or left but are also rather moderate.  Most find Trump and Clinton unpalatable. Then there are the outliers - the wingnuts - the Red Hats and Antifa crowd. Trump is a savior and going to save us from the mess that Obama made or Trump is a Devil and is going to destroy the Utopia that Obama made. I live in the most conservative state in the Union. Realistically, the conservatives that I know actually voted against Hillary and plugged their nose and voted for Trump. The people that are honest to goodness Deplorables are in the minority.

I blame the political histrionics in this country on the internet and social media. If you consume too much of it, it'll consume you. I spend a bit of time trolling on the Fox comment sections. The people on there are pretty revolting - constantly calling for civil war. There's an unbelievable amount of racism. The paranoia is off the charts. But again, I think they're in the minority.

I think Trump is grotesque and the decisions he's made and the people he's filled his admin with are just mind-boggling, like nothing I've ever seen. But our country is stronger than he is. We'll get past it. There will be no Civil War....though part of me wouldn't mind....well....never mind.
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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2018, 10:14:06 am »

Aye.

I think that the bulk of the American population, politically speaking, lies on the old Bell Curve. Most tend to lean right or left but are also rather moderate.  Most find Trump and Clinton unpalatable. Then there are the outliers - the wingnuts - the Red Hats and Antifa crowd. Trump is a savior and going to save us from the mess that Obama made or Trump is a Devil and is going to destroy the Utopia that Obama made. I live in the most conservative state in the Union. Realistically, the conservatives that I know actually voted against Hillary and plugged their nose and voted for Trump. The people that are honest to goodness Deplorables are in the minority.

I blame the political histrionics in this country on the internet and social media. If you consume too much of it, it'll consume you. I spend a bit of time trolling on the Fox comment sections. The people on there are pretty revolting - constantly calling for civil war. There's an unbelievable amount of racism. The paranoia is off the charts. But again, I think they're in the minority.

I think Trump is grotesque and the decisions he's made and the people he's filled his admin with are just mind-boggling, like nothing I've ever seen. But our country is stronger than he is. We'll get past it. There will be no Civil War....though part of me wouldn't mind....well....never mind.

Do you think Trump will win a second term?

I reckon not, but I suppose it depends on who the democrats put up...

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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2018, 10:27:08 am »

I think he definitely will win a second term.

He is in such a position - porn stars, constant investigation into not only shenanigans,  but outright, viscious criminality - that the only thing the Republicans can do now is increase the frighteners by using ever-larger bangs. So it will be evermore insane rhetoric, inciting evermore violent protests, which will see evermore polarisation between liberals, and over all that, overarching  threats of nuclear war with pretty well anyone and everyone. Further to this, it would not surprise me if they deliberately allow, or, indeed, orchestrate themselves, a couple of "terrist attacks" in order to justify and further said rhetoric.

As he becomes ever bolder and also paranoid, his trigger finger will become evermore itchy.

Trump is a narcissist desperate to prove himself to and have the attention of anyone and everyone.
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2018, 01:13:35 pm »

I think he definitely will win a second term.

He is in such a position - porn stars, constant investigation into not only shenanigans,  but outright, viscious criminality - that the only thing the Republicans can do now is increase the frighteners by using ever-larger bangs. So it will be evermore insane rhetoric, inciting evermore violent protests, which will see evermore polarisation between liberals, and over all that, overarching  threats of nuclear war with pretty well anyone and everyone. Further to this, it would not surprise me if they deliberately allow, or, indeed, orchestrate themselves, a couple of "terrist attacks" in order to justify and further said rhetoric.

As he becomes ever bolder and also paranoid, his trigger finger will become evermore itchy.

Trump is a narcissist desperate to prove himself to and have the attention of anyone and everyone.

The thing is, Americans are all about money... and frankly, Trump is not doing well when it comes to handling the economy. Look at the DOW Jones over the last 10 years. Obama took a failing economy and turned it around.  You saw the downward trend of the Bush years turn in to a slow but steady upward one.   Now that Trump's policies have taken effect, the slow upward trend has turned into a crazy zig zag.  If it starts moving downwards, no scaremongering in the world will get him re-elected.
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2018, 01:59:43 pm »

Do you think Trump will win a second term?

I reckon not, but I suppose it depends on who the democrats put up...

Red

Yep. It all depends on the Democrats.

They could mop the floor with Trump if they run Biden. Not sure who is in the lineup that's got the guns to win. They need someone charismatic. If they pick a stooge, Trump will win.

The elections in November will be a good gauge of public opinion.
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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2018, 05:32:44 am »

Yep. It all depends on the Democrats.

They could mop the floor with Trump if they run Biden. Not sure who is in the lineup that's got the guns to win. They need someone charismatic. If they pick a stooge, Trump will win.

The elections in November will be a good gauge of public opinion.

A friend of mine insists that the democrats could have won if they put forward Sanders, and now he's keen on that Ocasio-Cortez. He hates Clinton with a vengeance. Personally I don't think the US is ready to vote in anybody that is prepared to use 'socialist' as anything other than a political smear but maybe times are a changin'.

Of course, maybe my friend is just wrong. He's a clapped out acid head libertarian hippy from Wyoming who studied Buddhist psychology so it's a possibility. Do you know him?

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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2018, 10:10:00 am »

A friend of mine insists that the democrats could have won if they put forward Sanders, and now he's keen on that Ocasio-Cortez. He hates Clinton with a vengeance. Personally I don't think the US is ready to vote in anybody that is prepared to use 'socialist' as anything other than a political smear but maybe times are a changin'.

Of course, maybe my friend is just wrong. He's a clapped out acid head libertarian hippy from Wyoming who studied Buddhist psychology so it's a possibility. Do you know him?

Red

I like to think that Sanders would have done better than Clinton, but of course I can't be sure. The loud noise you hear is the tail ends of Rasta's bell curve. However, I sense that many people are deeply sick of the usual games.
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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2018, 11:27:13 am »

I sense that many people are deeply sick of the usual games.

Sure, but desperate enough to think Trump is a good idea?!

Well, yes - clearly, though it strikes me as rather more than they were expecting, and - like with Brexit - there's no backing out without completely losing face, and so doubling down is the only option available,  leading to increased polarisation, harder lines and so a moving towards argument in place of debate, shouting louder, more aggression, more hate. By both sides.

It's really, really unhealthy.
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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2018, 01:14:41 pm »

I think the best thing about all this was an anecdote one reporter wrote, about how when a couple of religious extremists showed up, protesting about homosexuality, two men that were waving the Confederate flag crossed to the other side of the street, because they didn't want to be associated with the other group's bigotry.  Cheesy

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Wayne and Jennings, the Confederate flaggers, quickly crossed the street to get away from the anti-gay sloganeers. “We don’t want anything to do with that crazy religious bigot stuff,” Wayne said.

God bless  'em.
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