To add some balance....

[TGK]

Much has been made on these pages of Brexit claims by Farage, Gove and Johnson, and they aren't my natural bedfellows particularly in relation to the £350 million for the NHS (and don't get me started on that), but let's take a look at this. Just for balance.

https://www.ft.com/content/a7739ec4-04c2-11e6-a70d-4e39ac32c284

The treasury, which just before the financial meltdown in 2007/8 described Britain's fiscal position as 'healthy' somehow believes that it could in 2016, predict accurately what the situation would be 14 years later. It's just laughable. it's beyond derision.

The Treasury was so confident, it didn't predict £4000 worse off, it didn't predict £5000 worse off. It predicted £4300. That seems like an accurate number. Accurate numbers are believable you see. It feels like it's been worked out, and not just dreamt up.

I appreciate this is a remain board, or an overwhelmingly remain board, but to say the referendum was lost due to lies, when we have the actual treasury spewing this balls, you need to look at other reasons why you lost the argument.

[ymrader]

Much has been made on these pages of Brexit claims by Farage, Gove and Johnson, and they aren't my natural bedfellows particularly in relation to the £350 million for the NHS (and don't get me started on that), but let's take a look at this. Just for balance.

https://www.ft.com/content/a7739ec4-04c2-11e6-a70d-4e39ac32c284

The treasury, which just before the financial meltdown in 2007/8 described Britain's fiscal position as 'healthy' somehow believes that it could in 2016, predict accurately what the situation would be 14 years later. It's just laughable. it's beyond derision.

The Treasury was so confident, it didn't predict £4000 worse off, it didn't predict £5000 worse off. It predicted £4300. That seems like an accurate number. Accurate numbers are believable you see. It feels like it's been worked out, and not just dreamt up.

I appreciate this is a remain board, or an overwhelmingly remain board, but to say the referendum was lost due to lies, when we have the actual treasury spewing this balls, you need to look at other reasons why you lost the argument.

It was lost due to decades of right wing media bollocks

[TGK]

And yet the referendum was lost on the left, not the right. It must have been all those Labour voters who read The Telegraph wot won it.

[ymrader]

And yet the referendum was lost on the left, not the right. It must have been all those Labour voters who read The Telegraph wot won it.

Can you ever recall a single positive article about the eu?

Complacency cost the referendum.

[TGK]

Can you ever recall a single positive article about the eu?

Complacency cost the referendum.

Sorry fella, you've replied twice, and in those two replies you've offered up "right wing media bollocks", and "complacency" as two singular answers. Not being funny but do you fancy formulating a coherent argument, because I could have replied to those singularly and looked a bit silly.

[ymrader]

Sorry fella, you've replied twice, and in those two replies you've offered up "right wing media bollocks", and "complacency" as two singular answers. Not being funny but do you fancy formulating a coherent argument, because I could have replied to those singularly and looked a bit silly.

Leave
Poor traditional former industrial and neglected areas, traditional Labour enclaves spoon fed anti eu rhetoric in the gutter press.
Elitist neo conservatives and ukipers spreading a media campaign of fear and lies.
Plus the gamon faced haters

Remain
A disenfranchised youth detached from political engagement.
No real leader, tony Blair did more harm than good.
Old skool Labour and nu Labour fragmented.

There are no winners here

The leave and remain ideologies will never find common ground, thanks to the pig head fucker appeasing the skipper threat. There are fractures all over the place that will take years to heal.

Need I go on ?

[TGK]

Leave
Poor traditional former industrial and neglected areas, traditional Labour enclaves spoon fed anti eu rhetoric in the gutter press.
Elitist neo conservatives and ukipers spreading a media campaign of fear and lies.
Plus the gamon faced haters

Remain
A disenfranchised youth detached from political engagement.
No real leader, tony Blair did more harm than good.
Old skool Labour and nu Labour fragmented.

There are no winners here

The leave and remain ideologies will never find common ground, thanks to the pig head fucker appeasing the skipper threat. There are fractures all over the place that will take years to heal.

Need I go on ?

We need to talk about the definition of 'coherent'.

I mean, try as I might.......

"The leave and remain ideologies will never find common ground, thanks to the pig head fucker appeasing the skipper threat."

So now it's the fault of the 'pig head fucker', now a new reason spewed up by the bitter (step forward and take a bow for being the third reason for Brexit), by which I'm pretty certain you are referring to the hugely remain Prime Minister, for daring to even ask the question of the populace?



The 'pig head fucker' properly campaigned to remain, the other party leader was appalling in campaigning for Remain, the referendum was lost on the left, but it was 'pig head fucker' who resigned on a matter of principal.

Nasty pig head fucker.

I'm trying not to laugh, the actual situation isn't funny, but there's very little not to laugh about your stated 'position'.

[ymrader]

We need to talk about the definition of 'coherent'.

I mean, try as I might.......

"The leave and remain ideologies will never find common ground, thanks to the pig head fucker appeasing the skipper threat."

So now it's the fault of the 'pig head fucker', now a new reason spewed up by the bitter (step forward and take a bow for being the third reason for Brexit), by which I'm pretty certain you are referring to the hugely remain Prime Minister, for daring to even ask the question of the populace?



The 'pig head fucker' properly campaigned to remain, the other party leader was appalling in campaigning for Remain, the referendum was lost on the left, but it was 'pig head fucker' who resigned on a matter of principal.

Nasty pig head fucker.

I'm trying not to laugh, the actual situation isn't funny, but there's very little not to laugh about your stated 'position'.

The only position I have now is asset management.

I don't give a fuck what mess the people have voted themselves in to. I can take early retirement in 2 years, a tanked £ works for me 

Forget coherent, consider systemic.

[TGK]

The only position I have now is asset management.

I don't give a fuck what mess the people have voted themselves in to. I can take early retirement in 2 years, a tanked £ works for me 

Forget coherent, consider systemic.

Can't help but feel there's a body of work on these pages that suggests otherwise.

[ymrader]

Can't help but feel there's a body of work on these pages that suggests otherwise.

The man doth protest too much

[mikado]

It was lost due to decades of right wing media bollocks

Unfortunately it was lost due to the EU not being all that great for the UK. The right wing media wouldn't have got any traction if people didn't find anything in the media that resonated.

If you ignore the reasons people voted "leave" you're going to keep on losing.

[ymrader]

Unfortunately it was lost due to the EU not being all that great for the UK. The right wing media wouldn't have got any traction if people didn't find anything in the media that resonated.

If you ignore the reasons people voted "leave" you're going to keep on losing.

Doesnt look like it these days ?