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Biss
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« on: October 09, 2014, 04:47:39 am »

-Girl looks at boy.
-Boy looks at girl.
-Boy and girl smile at each other.
-Boy and girl meet privately for ice cream, unaccompanied, and make out.
-Girl's brothers find out.
-Girl's brothers tell girl's uncle.
-Together, girl's brothers and uncle douse her in gasoline, burn her to death for sullying the family honor.
-Girl's killers have their murder cases dismissed under Article 340 of Jordanian Penal Code No. 16*, which provides an affirmative defense for honor killing.

True story.

*"He who discovers his wife or a female relative committing adultery and kills, wounds or injures one or both of them is exempted from any penalty."
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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2014, 05:01:47 am »



It is true "honor" crimes are abhorring,  it is real on a very limited scale but it is not in the drama and theatrics of boy meet a girl,  it usually ends in marriage when honor is involved. It has a parallel in the West's "crime of passion" while even in Jordan a premeditated "honor" killing is considered a major crime. This is why "honor" killings is usually carried out by minors.

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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2014, 05:09:01 am »


It is true "honor" crimes are abhorring,  it is real on a very limited scale but it is not in the drama and theatrics of boy meet a girl,  it usually ends in marriage when honor is involved. It has a parallel in the West's "crime of passion" while even in Jordan a premeditated "honor" killing is considered a major crime. This is why "honor" killings is usually carried out by minors.

Dude, exculpation for this kind of killing is written into your country's law.  And the mere fact that it does happen, and is justified under your country's law, is vomitacious. 

What is wrong with you sick people?  Sick, sick, sick.  If you are doing nothing to change this perversion of law in Jordan, you approve of it.

What are you doing, Suheil?
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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2014, 05:28:32 am »

The section of the penal code most frequently invoked on behalf of perpetrators of “honor” killings is article 98. This statute mandates reduction of penalty for a perpetrator (of either gender) who commits a crime in a “state of great fury [or “fit of fury”] resulting from an unlawful and dangerous act on the part of the victim.”63 It does not require in flagrante discovery or any other standard of evidence of female indiscretion. If the extenuating excuse is established for a crime punishable by death,64 such as premeditated murder, article 98 provides that the penalty be reduced to a minimum of one year in prison. For other felonies, it is reducible to a minimum of six months and a maximum of two years. Moreover, courts may further halve the sentence if the victim’s family “waives” its right to file a complaint of the crime.65 In murders for “honor,” given the family’s complicity in the crime, the family nearly always “waives” the right to file a complaint.66 Thus, “honor” killers may receive sentences of six months—and often do. If a killer has served that much time awaiting trial, the sentence may be commuted to time served and he may walk away a free man.

Though gender-neutral in language, article 98 in practice is applied to benefit only men. “Honor” crimes which are plainly premeditated are commonly considered by the Jordanian courts to have been committed in a “fit of fury” as defined by the statute,67 and the courts accept as “unlawful and dangerous” even trivial challenges to patriarchal authority. For example, a thirty-year-old man identified as Ziad H.who had murdered his divorced sister for being absent from the family home for one week told authorities, “people started talking about us, so I decided to kill her.” A pathologist’s report indicated that his sister, whom he stabbed thirty times, had not been involved in sexual activity. The father of the victim, who was also the father of the defendant, dropped charges. In January 2003, the murderer was sentenced to six months for the “honor” crime due to the mitigation granted under article 98. Having served the time while awaiting trial, he was freed.68

As the above example suggests, it is not necessary that the murder be provoked by any actual proof of sexual indiscretion; in practice, mere suspicion of a woman’s “unlawful and dangerous” act—often called simply “a bad act” for short—may be sufficient proof for the courts. Article 98 was applied, for example, in a 2001 case in which the defendant had killed his sister “after seeing a man leave her house.”69 It was also applied in the 2002 case of a man who had killed his sister after seeing her “talking to a strange man during a wedding party.”70In 2003, a man fatally stabbed his daughter twenty-five times because she refused to tell him where she had been, following a three-week absence. The court, invoking article 98, reduced his sentence on the basis of the act being committed in a "fit of rage."71

News reports also indicate that reacting to perceived stains on family honor with violence will generally be found to have occurred in a “fit of fury” even where substantial time passes between knowledge of the alleged “bad act” and commission of the crime. Where a man killed his unmarriedcousin one month after learning she was pregnant, the court found his “losing his temper” was justified because she had “brought shame and disgrace to her family.”72

In another reported case, a man heard his sister referred to as a “slut” and confronted her. She told him to “mind his own business.” He went to bed, awoke the next morning and strangled her with a phone cord. The High Criminal Court ruled: “It does not matter that the defendant killed his sister hours after [learning of her supposed act]. He was still under the influence of extreme anger, which caused him to lose his ability to think clearly because of the unlawful act committed by his sister.”73

In a 2001 case, a brother visited his sister in a hospital—she was being treated for burns—and she admitted to him that she had had an affair and that she was pregnant. He left and bought a gun. Twenty-four hours later he returned and shot her seven times at close range. As the court saw it, “although there were approximately twenty-four hours between the time the defendant learnt of his sister’s illegitimate pregnancy [and the time he killed her], his soul was not at peace…The irritated soul does not know calm thinking. Therefore, he should benefit from a reduction in penalty as stipulated in article 98 of the Jordanian Penal Code.”74

The reduction of sentence due to diminished capacity is a common feature of penal codes around the world. But in the case of article 98, the man’s “fit of fury” and the woman’s commission of a “bad act” are routinely assumed on the basis of the defendants’ accounts and their families’ waiving of charges. Article 98 should not reduce sentences for pre-meditated murder, no matter what has provoked it.


http://www.hrw.org/reports/2004/jordan0404/4.htm
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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2014, 06:24:32 am »


What is wrong with you sick people?  Sick, sick, sick.  

What are you doing, Suheil?

I am against "honor killing" with many powerful people in the land i.e. the King, the Queen and three constitutive Parliaments who could not handle the "honor" issue, the social belief, the tribal, the religious in that to be honorable is the only way to live. The fact that "honor killings" centers around women chastity than men places the burden on women and the law itself. The way Jordan  handled the "honor" issue in the law is to leave it for the Judge to give the sever sentence of that of premeditated murder without referral to the law.

To question the social belief in chastity for women is out of your league, to question the equality of women and men under the law is fair and universal and should be socially and legally upheld.


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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2014, 06:39:29 am »



"According to Rana Husseini of The Jordan Times, there were 12 recorded "honor" killings in Jordan from January to November 2010.[7] These so-called "honor killings", the killing of female relatives suspected of illicit relationships, are often lightly punished by police and the courts. There have been several attempts to introduce harsh penalties on honor crimes, but, even with the strong backing of the royal family, these attempts have been rejected by Jordan's Lower House.[31][32] In May 2010, the government decreed amendments to the penal code to ensure that "honor" crimes receive the full penalty of the law.[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Jordan

P.S.The Article that covers "honor killing" is 341
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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2014, 06:43:40 am »

What have you done to end this abhorrent inequality in your own backyard, Suheil?  You are a mighty Internet activist, on the verge of defeating the United States with your trenchant posting.  Surely you have addressed the medieval practice of honor killing, haven't you?  You could be a Positive Influence to your legions of Twitter followers.

Make a difference, Suheil.  Do something.
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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2014, 07:48:42 am »

-Girl looks at boy.
-Boy looks at girl.
-Boy and girl smile at each other.
-Boy and girl meet privately for ice cream, unaccompanied, and make out.
-Girl's brothers find out.
-Girl's brothers tell girl's uncle.
-Together, girl's brothers and uncle douse her in gasoline, burn her to death for sullying the family honor.
-Girl's killers have their murder cases dismissed under Article 340 of Jordanian Penal Code No. 16*, which provides an affirmative defense for honor killing.

True story.

Goes without saying, but that is absolutely horrific.
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« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2014, 08:51:28 am »

I'm no expert, but it occurs to me that it might be something to do with the local religion. Could that be?

In which case, I dare say all bets are off, no matter what the King or Suheil might think about it. God is great.
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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2014, 08:55:21 am »

I'm no expert, but it occurs to me that it might be something to do with the local religion. Could that be?

In which case, I dare say all bets are off, no matter what the King or Suheil might think about it. God is great.

It has little to do with religion; it is tribal.
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« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2014, 09:16:37 am »

It has little to do with religion; it is tribal.

Oh, well, that's OK then. If it's not the religion then IS will put an end to it when they come knocking at your frontier liberate Jordan from the infidel yoke.
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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2014, 09:32:27 am »

I'm no expert, but it occurs to me that it might be something to do with the local religion. Could that be?

In which case, I dare say all bets are off, no matter what the King or Suheil might think about it. God is great.

In fairness, "honour" murder occurs in other religions and cultures too.
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« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2014, 10:14:22 am »

In fairness, "honour" murder occurs in other religions and cultures too.

I know that. We all know. But IS is busy not many kilometres away from Jordan, and those other religions and cultures aren't busily slaughtering people in the name of their religions and cultures not many kilometres away from Jordan.

If IS arrives in Jordan and finds that people aren't doing killings according to IS's strict religious killing code, no matter how perverse that might be, then I hardly need to join up the dots . . .
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