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« on: July 03, 2014, 12:17:55 pm »

Gambling addict sues Ritz casino after losing £2m

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-28149325

The worlds gone mad

If they hadn't cashed her cheques no doubt she would have sued them on the basis that she could have won her losings back if  she had been able to continue Roll Eyes

Obviously she's not a very devout Muslim Grin

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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2014, 01:03:00 pm »

Absolutely amazing
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2014, 05:29:33 pm »

I don't.  If you gamble you have to be prepared to lose.  As usual someone else is to blame, not the person who's really responsible.  Angry
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2014, 05:41:23 pm »

I hope she wins.

She certainly doesn't seem to be afraid to play against the odds.
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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2014, 05:47:57 pm »

Would it be the same if she'd been an alcoholic, and the staff behind the bar kept filling her glass up the more she drank?

Why should people have to be responsible for the careless actions of others? 
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2014, 05:50:35 pm »

Would it be the same if she'd been an alcoholic, and the staff behind the bar kept filling her glass up the more she drank?

Pretty close to the same, yes.
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2014, 06:32:37 pm »

Is there not a difference between careless and addicted?

So it's up to everybody else to make sure addicts don't pursue their addictions? 
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2014, 06:36:25 pm »

I hope she wins.

Why ever do you wish that?

Anyone who  loses (allegedly) several million in two casinos and then goes on to a third and loses another £2 million is clearly not short of a bob or two

No-one 'encourages' anyone to gamble in UK casinos. She went there and gambled of her own volition

What she is complaining of is that the staff cashed her cheques - as they had done before.

Perhaps if she had won she would have handed the winnings back?

Ye gods and little fishes, I've never heard such tosh.

She should be prosecuted for obtaining pecuniary advantage by deception.

Hopefully no-one will ever accept a cheque from her in future

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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2014, 06:40:23 pm »

Is there not a difference between careless and addicted?

The only person other than herself who bears any responsibility is her husband who should ensure that her membership of any casinos is cancelled and that she is not permitted to enter

Probobly she will then use online gambling and she will try to sue her computer - with your blessing, presumably Grin

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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2014, 06:47:27 pm »

Absolutely amusing.
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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2014, 02:40:43 am »

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The court was told that Mrs Al-Daher had made it clear when she arrived at the Ritz that she was a gambling addict, had lost money and did not want to play.

Mrs Al-Daher lost £2m within hours and said the casino should have refused to give her extra credit but instead took advantage of her.

She told the court staff stood behind her encouraging her and increased her facility when she reached her credit limit.

The Ritz rejected the accusations, saying it was owed £1m because cheques she gave them had not been not honoured.

IF her account is true then she may have a stronger claim than it seems at first. She'll have a tough time proving that she was cajoled and manipulated, but if she can she may win the case.

It'll be interesting to see what happens.

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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2014, 02:44:17 am »

The only person other than herself who bears any responsibility is her husband who should ensure that her membership of any casinos is cancelled and that she is not permitted to enter

Her husband should run her life? Interesting historical concept.

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"The court was told that Mrs Al-Daher had made it clear when she arrived at the Ritz that she was a gambling addict, had lost money and did not want to play."

She really should've recorded that conversation.
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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2014, 04:06:51 am »

The Ritz shopuld never have accepted a cheque in the first place - they should have taken her Nike trainers and mobile phone as payment.

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« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2014, 07:39:58 am »

The feeder of the addiction is not "everybody else".

But why should anybody have to be responsible for a drug/alcohol/gambling addict?


In any case, there's probably more to it than we've read in the newspapers, seen on t.v., or listened to on the radio.  Grin
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« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2014, 07:45:41 am »

IF her account is true then she may have a stronger claim than it seems at first. She'll have a tough time proving that she was cajoled and manipulated, but if she can she may win the case.

It'll be interesting to see what happens.

Red


If she (a gambling addict) didn't want to play, what was she doing there in the first  place?

Sorry, but I really don't have any sympathy for gamblers.  Get a grip.  Get some self control.  It's not like alcohol or drugs, where there's something taken that affects your body.

The woman's a spoiled child by the sound of it.
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« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2014, 08:44:10 am »

As far as sympathy goes, my heart doesn't bleed much for the multi-millionaire, but it bleeds even less for the Ritz casino Cheesy

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« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2014, 08:51:45 am »

The Ritz shopuld never have accepted a cheque in the first place - they should have taken her Nike trainers and mobile phone as payment.

Red

For £2 million?

I doubt she would have complained then

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« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2014, 09:02:01 am »

Or has a serious addiction problem.

How do you know?


1)If she has a serious addiction problem, no doubt her husband is aware of it and could have taken action to protect her from herself
Are you suggesting that 'addiction' is some sort of excuse from the consequences of her actions
Many women have a shopping addiction - shoes, handbags etc.
Perhaps they should be allowed to sue the shops for allowing her to buy from them if she tells them when she enters that she is addicted and doesn't really want to buy

2)I can tell you because whilst not a gambler myself I spend a lot of time in various casinos with bennetta (who does enjoy the wheel) and I can tell you that it simply doesn't happen. Are you suggesting that one of the staff stands behind her telling her to put a million on 5?
Ridiculous
I have,however, seen staff decline bets for various reasons - usually leading to unpleasant scenes and complaints from the gambler
The only thing that the casino have done is cash her cheques - as they have many times before.
Perhaps if she didn't want to gamble she would have been wiser to go to a bar, club or disco than a casino?

How many casinos have you been in as a matter of interest?

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« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2014, 09:35:08 am »

How do you know?

I asked a question about how you could know something, and your response starts with "If ..."

No.

Many men have an addiction to stupid sexist stereotyping.

This isn't about me.


1)If she can lose several million pounds in ONE DAY I would suggest thather husband just may ask what she spent it on. I find it extremely difficult to believe that if she has this serious addiction, her husband is unaware of it

2)So why are you supporting her action? She is suing them, remember - even though she has swindled them out of £1million

3)Ermmm, we are talking about a woman, so I compared her addiction to other women's addictions. Nice attempt at evasion though

4)Obviously, but your experience is relevant in view of the previous exchange

ben -"No-one 'encourages' anyone to gamble in UK casinos. She went there and gambled of her own volition"
Purkoy -"How do you know?"

I have explained my experience and asked what yours was. Quite reasonable I would have thought

Of course I have no knowledge of what happens in the high rollers suites, but it most certainly could not happen in steerage

As far as I know Casino staff are under VERY strict instructions not to do anything to upset HRs, who are treated with kid gloves

I wish Mr Ed would put us straight on this issue as the only person qualified in such matters

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« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2014, 09:43:43 am »

As far as sympathy goes, my heart doesn't bleed much for the multi-millionaire, but it bleeds even less for the Ritz casino Cheesy

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Oh I have no sympathy for the casino. An obvious business risk

However it is not the casino that is squealing, it is the gambler suing them for allowing her to gamble

The mind boggles

Scene - restaurant

man - "I've already eaten and don't want anything else but I am a gourmand..............just serve me the full monty"
Waiter - "May I suggest the 7 course tasting menu sir, it is very good today"

Man subsequently sues restaurant for allowing to eat when he had already eaten

ben

PS seems we have an expert aboard.... I hope they will give us an insight (regardless of who it supports)
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« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2014, 09:46:45 am »

1)If she can lose several million pounds in ONE DAY I would suggest thather husband just may ask what she spent it on. I find it extremely difficult to believe that if she has this serious addiction, her husband is unaware of it

How do you know it's not her money to do with as she pleases?

What makes you think it's any of her husband's business?

You seem to make a lot of assumptions, Ben. Just saying.
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« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2014, 09:53:14 am »

How do you know it's not her money to do with as she pleases?

What makes you think it's any of her husband's business?

You seem to make a lot of assumptions, Ben. Just saying.

Ermmmm,

If it's her money to do with as she pleases why should the casino stop her playing with it?

What makes you think it is any of the casino's business?

I AM assuming that her husband was aware of her addiction and would notice the odd few million disappearing....call me old fashioned and sexist, but....so shoot me Grin

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« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2014, 10:00:49 am »

However it is not the casino that is squealing, it is the gambler suing them for allowing her to gamble

The casino went after her first - because her cheques bounced. Obviously the casino have every right to go after her, but this appears to be some sort of counter claim on the basis that she didn't want to write the cheques in the first place and was pressured into it.

We shall see, these cases often have more merit than appears on first glance. If not, then no doubt she'll lose.

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« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2014, 10:01:29 am »

Ermmmm,

If it's her money to do with as she pleases why should the casino stop her playing with it?

You tell me. I made no judgement one way or the other.

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What makes you think it is any of the casino's business?

 Roll Eyes

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I AM assuming that her husband was aware of her addiction and would notice the odd few million disappearing....call me old fashioned and sexist, but....so shoot me Grin

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« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2014, 10:22:15 am »

Has she been charged with and convicted of this offence? If not, why are you reporting this as a fact?

We are talking about a person. Or don't men have gambling addictions? Why did you think it necessary to adopt sexist metaphors to support your argument?

That's right, I asked how you know, since you were not reporting merely on your own experiences, but extended it to everyone else's : "No-one 'encourages' anyone to gamble"

So, unless you have an exceptionally privileged position, you are not in a position to know, even though you frequently present your opinions and perceptions as though they were general facts.


Errrmm, there is no such offence as 'swindling' so she is unlikely to be charged with it

Ok, there are some 'people' who have addictions to buying cars......should they be able to sue garages for selling them a 7litre V12 sports car when the customer tells them that he wouldn't be able to afford to run it but wants it anyway?

Equally, since you have (apparently) NO experience, it is rather presumptuous  of you to cast doubt on my experience

For instance EVERY casino in UK has PROMINENTLY displayed literature on 'responsible gambling'
EVERY UK casino has several members of staff who can be accessed at all times to discuss any gambling problems and make referals
EVERY UK casino has systems whereby the customer can stipulate to the casino at what stage they wish to be stopped from gambling further (eg after losing £500, after gambling for 4 hours etc)
EVERY UK casino operates a 'self exclusion' system whereby a customer can ask to be prevented from entering or placing bets...or even be contacted by the casino
EVERY UK casino have a reporting system whereby staff who have any concern about a customers activities can pass this on to management for action (this will initially involve interviewing the client) and agreeing terms thru' self exclusion, credit limits, ban.
In this case it would appear that the woman regularly bets miilions and inevitably will lose more than she wins....but there was clearly no problem heretofore

Obviously the casino would not wish to lose such a customer....and 'encouraging' her to gamble if she had expressed a desire not to would clearly make that a risk, so apart from their legal, and voluntary codes of practice I cannot see them taking that risk for a short term one day gain..........they simply aren't that stupid

If this woman knows she has a gambling addiction, why did she not whilst in a logical period (presumably she does have moments of reality) enter into a self exclusion contract with some or all of the casinos that she habitually visited (several on that day alone)
Surely there is some onus on her to help herself?

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