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« on: July 14, 2013, 04:59:13 am »

Zimmerman Acquitted On Whiteman's Justified Fear


"Because this is America, pointing out that a black boy can be shot with impunity by a more or less white man because many white Americans are terrified by black boys and men is called “playing the race card.”  The race card is what the people who benefit politically from the fact that many white Americans are terrified by black boys and men call any reference to the fact that race continues to play an overwhelmingly important, and overwhelmingly invidious, role in American culture in general. And in the criminal justice system in particular.

Trayvon Martin was stalked by George Zimmerman because he was black. Trayvon Martin is dead because he was black. George Zimmerman was acquitted of killing Trayvon Martin because the boy Zimmerman killed was black."

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/14/zimmerman_saga_was_all_about_race/


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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2013, 05:13:24 am »

It is quite likely that Zimmerman followed Martin because he was a young black man - there had been some crimes in the area committed by black youths.

It is highly likely that the police didn't investigate properly because Martin was a young black man and Zimmerman was white (ish).

But that's about as far as we can take it; none of that disproves that Zimmerman acted (as he claimed) in self defence. 

Zimmerman was the heavier of the two, but he was significantly shorter and (from what the jury was told)  less fit. 
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2013, 05:15:37 am »

The one thing that can't be gotten away from, is that more black men are convicted of crime than any other race in the US.

Whilst we might not agree to racial profiling, it must be hard to remember that when in Zimmermans situation.

That of course doesn't excuse anything. But it does go a way to explaining attitudes towards black youths.
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2013, 05:41:19 am »

It is quite likely that Zimmerman followed Martin because he was a young black man - there had been some crimes in the area committed by black youths.

It is highly likely that the police didn't investigate properly because Martin was a young black man and Zimmerman was white (ish).

But that's about as far as we can take it; none of that disproves that Zimmerman acted (as he claimed) in self defence. 

Zimmerman was the heavier of the two, but he was significantly shorter and (from what the jury was told)  less fit. 

"(ish)"

God forbids; who is on the race card here? We are on the forensic in that traces of drugs were found on the dead man but hardly a word on the state of Zimmerman's under pants?

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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2013, 05:59:44 am »

The one thing that can't be gotten away from, is that more black men are convicted of crime than any other race in the US.

Whilst we might not agree to racial profiling, it must be hard to remember that when in Zimmermans situation.

That of course doesn't excuse anything. But it does go a way to explaining attitudes towards black youths.

Blacks commit 7.5 times as many interracial crimes as do whites according to FBI statistics. On average, 1600 whites are murdered by blacks each year.
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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2013, 06:01:02 am »

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God forbids; who is on the race card here? We are on the forensic in that traces of drugs were found on the dead man but hardly a word on the state of Zimmerman's under pants?



I dunno sulheil:  it was you who described Zimmerman as "white" and I suppose he is, but Hispanic might be classed as "ethnic minority" in some white communities.

And in the USA it seems they are also victims of stereotyping:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans_in_the_United_States.


Though I have to admit that looking at the photos I now see on line, I'd have described him as white;  he described himself as Hispanic and I now learn he is only half Hispanic (a Peruvian mother)

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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2013, 06:17:04 am »

Blacks commit 7.5 times as many interracial crimes as do whites according to FBI statistics. On average, 1600 whites are murdered by blacks each year.

I know Dripp it is a gene thang and it seems African bees are more aggressive. Have you considered historical trauma, construct inequality, reality and the fact that the law is also a mirror for the power construct?
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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2013, 06:38:13 am »

I know Dripp it is a gene thang and it seems African bees are more aggressive. Have you considered historical trauma, construct inequality, reality and the fact that the law is also a mirror for the power construct?

You're so full of it. Someone who break-ins, robs or harms another human doesn't have an excuse of what happened to their relative, most long gone, to be acting that way.
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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2013, 07:00:32 am »

You're so full of it. Someone who break-ins, robs or harms another human doesn't have an excuse of what happened to their relative, most long gone, to be acting that way.

You are confused Dripp, the profiled robber nigger is dead but his killer yellow pants has been acquitted! The idea here is simpler in that those who shit in their pants from fear of their shadow get acquitted.
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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2013, 07:26:29 am »

You are confused Dripp, the profiled robber nigger is dead but his killer yellow pants has been acquitted! The idea here is simpler in that those who shit in their pants from fear of their shadow get acquitted.

There wasn't the evidence to convict him, Sulheil; it boils down to that.  Maybe if the police had done a better job  on the day of the killing the situation would have been different - but again, it might not have made one scrap of difference.

Cast your mind back to the conviction of Mike Tyson for rape.  More than one commentator remarked at the time that had his accuser been white or poor  instead of a black, middle class beauty contestant he would never have been taken to court, let alone convicted. 
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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2013, 07:36:49 am »

Truth be told, if Zimmerman was black, he probably would never have had charges placed against him.
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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2013, 07:51:22 am »

Truth be told, if Zimmerman was black, he probably would never have had charges placed against him.

You are most probably right; they don't shoot horses when the horse is dead.
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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2013, 07:58:03 am »

There wasn't the evidence to convict him, Sulheil; it boils down to that.  Maybe if the police had done a better job  on the day of the killing the situation would have been different - but again, it might not have made one scrap of difference.

Cast your mind back to the conviction of Mike Tyson for rape.  More than one commentator remarked at the time that had his accuser been white or poor  instead of a black, middle class beauty contestant he would never have been taken to court, let alone convicted. 


O.J. was guilty in my heart of heart regardless of acquittal, jury, or claim of innocence. Tyson and OJ are ugly men.
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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2013, 02:23:23 pm »

You are most probably right; they don't shoot horses when the horse is dead.

The horse is dead? What horse would that be?
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« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2013, 03:00:47 pm »

The horse is dead? What horse would that be?

Don't you think that Travon should be charged for scaring the crap out of Zimmerman to make him kill him?
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« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2013, 03:08:36 pm »

Zimmerman Acquitted On Whiteman's Justified Fear


"Because this is America, pointing out that a black boy can be shot with impunity by a more or less white man because many white Americans are terrified by black boys and men is called “playing the race card.”  The race card is what the people who benefit politically from the fact that many white Americans are terrified by black boys and men call any reference to the fact that race continues to play an overwhelmingly important, and overwhelmingly invidious, role in American culture in general. And in the criminal justice system in particular.

Trayvon Martin was stalked by George Zimmerman because he was black. Trayvon Martin is dead because he was black. George Zimmerman was acquitted of killing Trayvon Martin because the boy Zimmerman killed was black."

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/14/zimmerman_saga_was_all_about_race/


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The writer of the article you linked to is apparently not interested in facts. And apparently neither are you.

The jurors in the case, who had all the facts available to them, ruled that the defendant was not guilty of the crime he was charged with.

Now it has happened in the past that people have made assumptions about guilt and innocence based upon the so-called "race" of the perpetrator or the victim. This is a bad thing, a shameful thing in fact. Anyone who indulges in that kind of thinking should be ashamed.

It's also true that in parts of the US, these assumptions have many times been tilted against people with African ancestry. That's something that has definitely happened, and it could happen again. Another shameful thing.

What you and the writer of the article invite us to do is to indulge in the same lazy minded racism that has hurt African-Americans so many times in the past. Only this time the assumptions are turned around. But the assumptions are based on exactly the same thing as the shameful assumptions in our history were made - race.

You assume that because of the "racial" mix of the two people involved, Zimmerman had to be guilty of a racist murder.

But you are not interested in facts, as I said. Events like this one are just characters in a play in your head, and serve only to confirm your existing prejudices.
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« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2013, 03:23:20 pm »

The writer of the article you linked to is apparently not interested in facts. And apparently neither are you.

The jurors in the case, who had all the facts available to them, ruled that the defendant was not guilty of the crime he was charged with.

Now it has happened in the past that people have made assumptions about guilt and innocence based upon the so-called "race" of the perpetrator or the victim. This is a bad thing, a shameful thing in fact. Anyone who indulges in that kind of thinking should be ashamed.

It's also true that in parts of the US, these assumptions have many times been tilted against people with African ancestry. That's something that has definitely happened, and it could happen again. Another shameful thing.

What you and the writer of the article invite us to do is to indulge in the same lazy minded racism that has hurt African-Americans so many times in the past. Only this time the assumptions are turned around. But the assumptions are based on exactly the same thing as the shameful assumptions in our history were made - race.

You assume that because of the "racial" mix of the two people involved, Zimmerman had to be guilty of a racist murder.

But you are not interested in facts, as I said. Events like this one are just characters in a play in your head, and serve only to confirm your existing prejudices.

Working up my shame would not work for the fact that the trial is high profile and it is about race. I did not believe O.J. even when the glove did not fit.
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« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2013, 10:27:09 am »

Working up my shame would not work for the fact that the trial is high profile and it is about race.

Of all the things the trial is about, race is at the bottom of the list.
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« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2013, 03:58:57 pm »

The ostrish is a bird and the white construct is as real as apple pie! Speak gently to the precieved big nigger and better be ready with a big gun. Do you know that fear has its own color and scent? Yellow is word in the dictionary that implies preemptive, the favorate word for cowards.
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« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2013, 04:17:30 pm »

The ostrish is a bird and the white construct is as real as apple pie! Speak gently to the precieved big nigger and better be ready with a big gun. Do you know that fear has its own color and scent? Yellow is word in the dictionary that implies preemptive, the favorate word for cowards.

Really, is there any other way to speak to a big nigger than gently?
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« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2013, 04:43:29 pm »

The gun is the argument here.
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« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2013, 04:51:38 pm »

Zimmerman + gun = Trayvon + no gun  + dead = acquittal = absurd
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« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2013, 04:59:42 pm »

Only in a narrow mind would it be absurd.
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« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2013, 05:09:10 pm »

Narrow is the racist mind. Blinders is a word in the dictionary.
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« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2013, 07:07:59 am »

Zimmerman + gun = Trayvon + no gun  + dead = acquittal = absurd

Not while citizens still have the right to carry guns, it isn't.  Zimmerman seems to have claimed he wouldn't have used it had Martin not tried to grab it....who knows?
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