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 on: Today at 04:51:19 am 
Started by TGK - Last post by TGK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43110910

Personally, I always find after thinking I haven't had a KFC in a while, that when I do I'm underwhelmed.

 12 
 on: Today at 04:26:23 am 
Started by Dutch Rosie - Last post by Dutch Rosie
The issue is about government invading our private lives. It may not be an issue for you, but it certainly is an issue for many Dutch citizens.

I read some years ago that Florida (or was it Texas?) had no shortage of organs after training doctors how to effectively  ask patients and their families to donate. This seems to me a good solution.

 13 
 on: Today at 04:17:49 am 
Started by Dutch Rosie - Last post by TGK
If you wanted to be a donor, then you had to register. If you didn't want to, then you needed to do nothing.

So now it's the opposite, and if you feel strongly enough about it, you can make that choice and it will be respected.

Sorry Rosie, I guess at this point we'll have to agree to disagree but I genuinely don't see the issue giving that it will almost certainly save more lives.

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 on: Today at 01:30:21 am 
Started by Dutch Rosie - Last post by Dutch Rosie
If you wanted to be a donor, then you had to register. If you didn't want to, then you needed to do nothing.

 15 
 on: Yesterday at 03:49:13 pm 
Started by Dutch Rosie - Last post by TGK
So, playing devil's advocate.

As the law stood previously, were you not forced into actively giving consent?

 16 
 on: Yesterday at 03:27:16 pm 
Started by Dutch Rosie - Last post by Dutch Rosie
the issue is indeed about freedom, and freedom is more than being blackmailed into choosing one of two choices.

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 on: Yesterday at 02:46:01 pm 
Started by Dutch Rosie - Last post by TGK
The issue is that many of us feel that we are being forced by government to make a recorded decision we do not want to make or to risk having our organs harvested as a consequence of not doing so.

A considerable number of potential donors have actually withdrawn their permission in protest at the new ruling.

In Europe there is always someone waiting for an organ and  there is a system in place for transferring organs internationally.

I agree, you are being forced to make a recorded decision, but if you feel that strongly about it you are free to make it.

Again, I don't really see the issue.

 18 
 on: Yesterday at 02:33:02 pm 
Started by Dutch Rosie - Last post by ymrader
I would love to know what they could actually do with mine  animated laugh

 19 
 on: Yesterday at 01:06:05 pm 
Started by Dutch Rosie - Last post by Dutch Rosie
The issue is that many of us feel that we are being forced by government to make a recorded decision we do not want to make or to risk having our organs harvested as a consequence of not doing so.

A considerable number of potential donors have actually withdrawn their permission in protest at the new ruling.

In Europe there is always someone waiting for an organ and  there is a system in place for transferring organs internationally.

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 on: Yesterday at 12:32:05 pm 
Started by Dutch Rosie - Last post by TGK
I guess there are probably three types of people.

There are people who have previously registered to have their organs donated, and I have to say I applaud these people.

There are people who have expressed a wish not to have their organs donated, and whilst I don't necessarily understand the position, I absolutely respect their decision.

And then there are the people, and I include myself in this, who haven't stated a position, in my case largely due to laziness and a not hugely unreasonable notion that the organs that are holding my ruined carcass together probably aren't suitable. If the law is changed from an implicit no to an implicit yes, then I suspect this category of people will shrink, however if it's understood that by not opting out, you are stating that your organs can be donated then I don't see the issue.

The OP mentions 'harvesting', and I think it in itself is misleading and overly emotive. From what I understand about organ donation is that it's very specific. You can't just take most of the vital organs out of someone and keep them on ice until you need it, it has to be a specific need, so it's not as though every body gets 'harvested', it's just that if someone is awaiting a type of organ and it's a match then away we go.

It's not as though they are imposing mandatory organ donation.

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