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Title: Possible new home
Post by: Dutch Rosie on May 22, 2018, 12:48:59 pm
I am going to have a look at a vacant house in a village tomorrow and have just done a bit of research: oh boy, it's a village that hid so many Jews during the occupation that the Israelis gave them a huge award for bravery. It hid a very high number of resistance fighters too, and hid all sorts of people who were wanted by the NS. It is very remote, which made all this a little easier. Sounds like a good place to live.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Myky D on May 22, 2018, 01:16:41 pm
Don't tell Jeremy Corbyn.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Dutch Rosie on May 22, 2018, 02:10:03 pm
I haven't told Mr Rosie yet that there are no bus services at the weekends to and from the village. He will throw a fit.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: vladimir on May 22, 2018, 04:14:19 pm
Best of luck!


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Dutch Rosie on May 23, 2018, 06:54:03 am
Just got back. The house is lovely, so is the village. People came out of their homes to shake my hand and have a chat. I saw the Israeli award certificate, framed and displayed in the centre of the village.I am taking the house.

Mr Rosie is throwing his fit about no weekend buses as I type. :D


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Myky D on May 23, 2018, 07:42:35 am
Tell Mr Rosie to pipe down and make you a g&t.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Dutch Rosie on May 23, 2018, 07:54:56 am
He did make me a nice cup of tea, before starting to fuss about details, to which I indeed told him to pipe down.

I am knackered after such a busy day with so much walking.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: ymrader on May 23, 2018, 08:31:13 am
Must be nice.

I have the joy of living near the old forbidden zone which housed the kgb, soviet headquarters and torture facilities.

The only plaque we have is a monument to the kgb who died in ww2  :-/


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Dutch Rosie on May 23, 2018, 09:56:53 am
Yeah, but you ,live in a charming town, and on the doorstep of what I consider one of the best if not the best city in the world.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: ymrader on May 23, 2018, 10:44:24 am
Yeah, but you ,live in a charming town, and on the doorstep of what I consider one of the best if not the best city in the world.

Trouble is Berlin rent has rocketed, rippled here as well. What I pay for my 165qm flat will now get you a 50qm flat in a new build in babelsberg.

Men with huge hipster beards have been spotted !!

Gentrification abounds!


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Dutch Rosie on May 23, 2018, 10:57:30 am
Sickening, isn't it? When I lived in Berlin, it was easy to find housing and the rents were low to reasonable.

My new house is cheap too, 480 euros per month.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Myky D on May 24, 2018, 01:00:43 am
Gentrification is a good thing - it indicates money flowing into the area.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: ymrader on May 24, 2018, 03:48:57 am
My new house is cheap too, 480 euros per month.

 :o


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: ymrader on May 24, 2018, 03:50:10 am
Gentrification is a good thing - it indicates money flowing into the area.

Theres plenty of money here already.

This just lines developers pockets


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Dutch Rosie on May 24, 2018, 04:35:09 am
Gentrification is a good thing - it indicates money flowing into the area.

Irony, I presume.

Gentrification means getting rid of the original residents, by hook or by crook. I saw this happen in Notting Hill and I still feel bitter about it after so many years. There was a real community then of blacks, hippies, students and poor whites. We were all driven out, frequently with the help of the police, since our landlords never gave us a rent book and just claimed we were squatters.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Red Herring on May 24, 2018, 05:54:25 am
Having lived in Hackney through the height of its gentrification (1997 to date) I'm in two minds about it.

I'm  sure as hell not moaning about the streets and parks being cleaner, waste collection being more efficient and public services in general improving beyond recognition - all at the same time as the Council Tax being virtually frozen. I’m not complaining about the local comprehensive my kids go to out performing some of the best private schools when it comes to results.

I’m not in the slightest bit angered by all the nice restaurants, delicatessens, shops, and pubs opening up on the nearby Chatsworth road (formerly known as the Cracksworth/Crabsworth Road). I’m also quite glad that the notorious ‘murder mile’ is starting to turn into the mummy mile (though it must be said, yummy mummies are incredibly annoying).

What I am not so keen on is the astronomical increase in house and rental prices. From the point of view of equity it’s nice, but from the point of view of my kids having a cat in hells chance of living in Hackney it’s quite sad. There’s no doubt that market forces are slowly but surely squeezing out the ‘original’ population, especially when benefits caps are factored in. No landlord in their right mind will rent out accommodation to someone on housing benefit when they can get double that at market rates.

I haven’t seen the deliberate cleansing that Rosie describes in Notting Hill. Nobody is trying drive out “blacks, hippies, students and poor whites”, it’s just that market forces are doing their work. I would also add, that the blacks, hippies, students and poor whites that formed pre-gentrification Hackney have also contributed to its gentrification.

Mrs. Herring and I were poor, white, student hippies when we moved to Hackney. We bought a house there because it was the only area we could afford. We had kids, got jobs, got better jobs, paid off debts, and slowly but surely had more disposable income. In some ways gentrification can be the result not of blacks/hippies/students/poor whites being forced out, but because they themselves are becoming gentrified.

And for all that there’s still plenty to keep the anti-gentrification brigade happy – there’s certainly enough poverty, crime, stabbings, shootings exploitation, vandalism and homelessness to go round and keep us in the news.

Red


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Myky D on May 24, 2018, 06:38:45 am
I don't understand why people think they should have the right to be able to afford to buy in the area they grew up in.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Myky D on May 24, 2018, 06:47:03 am
. There’s no doubt that market forces are slowly but surely squeezing out the ‘original’ population,


That's no bad thing, though - everyone should have the right to move where they like, right?

Also - beer.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Red Herring on May 24, 2018, 07:05:00 am
I don't understand why people think they should have the right to be able to afford to buy in the area they grew up in.

I'm not sure people do think they should have the ‘right to be able to afford’, but I can see why people would (and usually do) prefer to live in the area they grew up in. It’s what they know, it’s where their friends and family are, and it’s where their community is.

Red


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Myky D on May 24, 2018, 07:13:35 am
Well, yes - just as many people would prefer to be very rich and powerful.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Dutch Rosie on May 24, 2018, 07:34:42 am
That's no bad thing, though - everyone should have the right to move where they like, right?

Also - beer.

If you are born into a community, one should be able to remain in it as an adult. That, at least, is the policy in the Netherlands, where people get housing priority in certain communities and sufficient social houses are provided. In the money belt of course, there are no poor people so no need of social housing. The only people who do not enjoy this privilege are caravan dwellers. They have to move to permanent housing when they want to leave their parents'caravan, since the government want a slow end to the "camps" and the social problems connected to them.

I am very grateful to be living in this country and have always lived in social housing, sometimes with an emergency status on the waiting list due to job changes and the need to move quickly.




Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Red Herring on May 24, 2018, 07:37:31 am
Well, yes - just as many people would prefer to be very rich and powerful.

Wanting to live near friends and family is a much more modest ambition than wanting to be rich and powerful.

Red


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Myky D on May 24, 2018, 07:38:56 am
Wanting to live near friends and family is a much more modest ambition than wanting to be rich and powerful.

Red

Not if you can't afford to do it it's not.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Red Herring on May 24, 2018, 07:54:49 am
Not if you can't afford to do it it's not.

Which is the issue - what the market is doing to rental and housing prices means you have to be rich to live near your friends and family.

I get your point, it's not a complicated one. It's a dog eat dog world, we all want things we can't have, we can't expect to be spoon fed etc. etc.

But none of that changes the fact that people like to have options, and in general they like to live in communities and nearby friends and families. Which is partly why affordable housing has become one of the major issues in the UK. Not just in London but nationally.

Red


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: ymrader on May 24, 2018, 08:05:09 am
But none of that changes the fact that people like to have options, and in general they like to live in communities and nearby friends and families. Which is partly why affordable housing has become one of the major issues in the UK. Not just in London but nationally.

Red

Just Berlin now, it was always cheap and techno. The a lot of foreign investment poured in as it was relatively safe and high reward.

You would be surprised how many are from the UK.

Tenant rights are very strong here. Takes a lot to get rid of people in secure tenure. So landlords were just saying the heating system needed replacing so they could flip tenants. It led to a law being passed capping rent.

Potsdam is a pretty small town only 165,000 or so I think, 30,000 coming in the last 15 years.

The dynamic change is considerable in a small town. Especially relative to income vs rental increase.

Upshot being people being forced out to the boons


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: ymrader on May 24, 2018, 08:08:27 am
If you are born into a community, one should be able to remain in it as an adult. That, at least, is the policy in the Netherlands, where people get housing priority in certain communities and sufficient social houses are provided. In the money belt of course, there are no poor people so no need of social housing. The only people who do not enjoy this privilege are caravan dwellers. They have to move to permanent housing when they want to leave their parents'caravan, since the government want a slow end to the "camps" and the social problems connected to them.

I am very grateful to be living in this country and have always lived in social housing, sometimes with an emergency status on the waiting list due to job changes and the need to move quickly.





Pro-Potsdam is a very large indeed social housing function.

The state is ran by a left, hard left coalition


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Dutch Rosie on May 24, 2018, 08:29:13 am
Not if you can't afford to do it it's not.

As the gentrification of areas increases, where are the staff needed to run it? Nurses, bin men, teachers, shop assistants, etc. etc. can't afford to live there and would have to be bused in from poorer areas, which of course will also be gentrified in time...


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Red Herring on May 24, 2018, 09:16:58 am
Just Berlin now, it was always cheap and techno. The a lot of foreign investment poured in as it was relatively safe and high reward.

I believe that's a factor in London too - international gazillionaires from all over buying up property as an investment and leaving it empty.

It's not sustainable, the bubble will burst sooner or later. There's a downturn in the London housing market and about time too.

Red


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: ymrader on May 24, 2018, 09:23:44 am
I believe that's a factor in London too - international gazillionaires from all over buying up property as an investment and leaving it empty.

It's not sustainable, the bubble will burst sooner or later. There's a downturn in the London housing market and about time too.

Red

Aye or air bnb'ing it.

There is a house the next street, usually empty, sometimes used in films.

A modest house on the lake now, €15m you could have bought a 4 storey wreck for €5m just 2 years ago


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Dutch Rosie on June 01, 2018, 09:22:22 am
Signed the contract and got the keys this morning. Bought a laminate floor this afternoon.

Oh god, there is so much to do before the moving date (20 June).


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Rasta on June 01, 2018, 11:00:27 am
Signed the contract and got the keys this morning. Bought a laminate floor this afternoon.

Oh god, there is so much to do before the moving date (20 June).

Happy day, indeed.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Dutch Rosie on June 12, 2018, 02:22:22 am
This moving business is sheer hell. We are surrounded by packed boxes, are multi/tasking and on the phone all the time with the various businesses involved, and so far I still have not been given a date for the installation of internet, TV and phone. The cats are going to a cat hotel on the 18th to have them safely out of the way for the big move on the 20th. The woman who is getting my old house is becoming difficult and says she won´t pay the agreed price for things she is buying fro me until I have moved and she has they keys. All I want from her is a letter or email in which she names the price we have agreed on, but no success so far.

I wish it was all over and we were installed in our new home.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: ymrader on June 12, 2018, 03:18:02 am
This moving business is sheer hell. We are surrounded by packed boxes, are multi/tasking and on the phone all the time with the various businesses involved, and so far I still have not been given a date for the installation of internet, TV and phone. The cats are going to a cat hotel on the 18th to have them safely out of the way for the big move on the 20th. The woman who is getting my old house is becoming difficult and says she won´t pay the agreed price for things she is buying fro me until I have moved and she has they keys. All I want from her is a letter or email in which she names the price we have agreed on, but no success so far.

I wish it was all over and we were installed in our new home.

What a hassle.

We lived here from 2006-2010, and 2012 - now. We actually moved back to the same building. Back in the day when demand was low.

My flat would cost about €2300-2600 if I was to rent it now.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Dutch Rosie on June 12, 2018, 04:23:25 am
I phoned that woman this morning, grumpy old bugger that she is. She finally sent me the email I wanted so that I can claim the money in court if she fails to pay.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Myky D on June 12, 2018, 06:25:39 am
Can't you just stay where you are and Google Street view wherever it us you want to go?


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: ymrader on June 12, 2018, 06:49:44 am
Can't you just stay where you are and Google Street view wherever it us you want to go?

Its not allowed here... privacy  :o


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Myky D on June 12, 2018, 08:10:40 am
Fritz has got something to hide.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Dutch Rosie on June 12, 2018, 09:20:34 am
Yeah, that would be lovely, Myky.

It´s annoying that we have had to go to all this trouble just because of our new next door neighbour: a little half-pint rat from the slums of Amsterdam and his post order bride from the Philippines.  He is a little shit, has his nipples pierced, tattoos from arsehole to breakfast time, and a pitbull as a pet. We had a conflict about the noise he was causing and about him letting his pitbull run loose, so he threatened me. The housing trust came to  talk to him with the police, and he is behaving himself now, but we want to get away from him, can't face a future of seeing his little rat's face every day.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Myky D on June 12, 2018, 09:34:24 am
Cat is NOT from the Phillipines.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: ymrader on June 12, 2018, 09:36:52 am
Yeah, that would be lovely, Myky.

It´s annoying that we have had to go to all this trouble just because of our new next door neighbour: a little half-pint rat from the slums of Amsterdam and his post order bride from the Philippines.  He is a little shit, has his nipples pierced, tattoos from arsehole to breakfast time, and a pitbull as a pet. We had a conflict about the noise he was causing and about him letting his pitbull run loose, so he threatened me. The housing trust came to  talk to him with the police, and he is behaving himself now, but we want to get away from him, can't face a future of seeing his little rat's face every day.

We have an arsehole lawyer opposite who thinks he owns the place. I had a go at him as he always has his dog off lead. Told me to go back to the slums where I came from  :DD

He is all mouth, and bottles it everytime I stare him down when I see him.  8)

Afd Arschloch


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Dutch Rosie on June 12, 2018, 10:29:07 am
Cat is NOT from the Phillipines.

 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: What Larks on June 20, 2018, 03:35:32 am
Yeah, that would be lovely, Myky.

It´s annoying that we have had to go to all this trouble just because of our new next door neighbour: a little half-pint rat from the slums of Amsterdam and his post order bride from the Philippines.  He is a little shit, has his nipples pierced, tattoos from arsehole to breakfast time, and a pitbull as a pet. We had a conflict about the noise he was causing and about him letting his pitbull run loose, so he threatened me. The housing trust came to  talk to him with the police, and he is behaving himself now, but we want to get away from him, can't face a future of seeing his little rat's face every day.

I don't blame you for getting away, Rosie, but I wouldn't want to be in a place without a decent transport system.  No Sunday buses I could cope with, but not all weekend.

Pitbulls can be lovely dogs, affectionate and loyal and gentle with little dogs if properly socialised.  It is the people who buy them that cause the problem!


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Dutch Rosie on July 02, 2018, 10:35:29 am
I don't blame you for getting away, Rosie, but I wouldn't want to be in a place without a decent transport system.  No Sunday buses I could cope with, but not all weekend.

Pitbulls can be lovely dogs, affectionate and loyal and gentle with little dogs if properly socialised.  It is the people who buy them that cause the problem!

I can live with no buses at the weekend and none in the evening either. But I was astonished to hear yesterday that we will have no buses at all during the school summer holiday!

Pitbulls can indeed be nice dogs, except that they all hate cats and try to kill them at every given opportunity. And my neighbour was letting his dog loose on my cats.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Dutch Rosie on July 10, 2018, 10:23:42 am
Guess what. That old bitch who took my old house sent me an email, refusing to pay me for the shower cabin, laminate flooring and stair carpet. I just knew this was coming, and fortunately got her, some weeks ago,  to send an email claiming responsibility for paying 800 euros.

I sent her an email this morning about bailiffs coming to her door if she didn't pay up immediately, and this afternoon she did pay her debt in full.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: ymrader on July 11, 2018, 09:05:11 am
Rosie,

Berlin now costs €13qm cold to rent... its overtaken Hamburg


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Dutch Rosie on July 11, 2018, 09:10:28 am
YM, how much is that then for an average flat? We don't do the square meter thing here so I have some difficulty.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: What Larks on July 12, 2018, 02:40:57 pm
God luck with the move.  Do you have a car?


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Dutch Rosie on July 13, 2018, 02:43:05 am
God luck with the move.  Do you have a car?

No, we got rid of the car when my partner´s vision got so bad that he couldn´t drive.

We do have a special taxi pass which has been very useful recently. And we have lovely neighbours, who take us with them whenever they go to town or to a shopping centre.

The poor bus service is just the price we have to pay for living in this lovely, quiet friendly  village. I don´t mind too much.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Dutch Rosie on July 13, 2018, 05:29:41 am
I am translating texts for the village museum and it is a job that is very moving at times. Have a look at this excerpt:

The danger was great.  There was always the threat of discovery or betrayal, leading to arrest and interrogation. With a little luck they would be released, but the chance of deportation to a concentration camp in Germany was always possible. This was a fact that everyone had to live with.

Tjitske and Hendrika Nieuwboer were sisters who lived together. They were known to Arnold Douwes and his workers as "the ladies". Tjitske was a teacher at a reformed protestant school. Hendrika did the housekeeping.  From November 1942 until the liberation, Ursula Timek took  refuge with them. Max Léons also stayed at their house at times. In December 1943 he noted in his diary, "spent the night at the ladies', in the bathtub."  As well as permanent moles, the two sisters also frequently opened their home temporarily to moles for whom no place could be found.

Seine Otten and his wife, Dirkje, were both teachers who were inspired by Johannes Post. They gave Post their ID cards to help Jewish moles and always found space in their 2-roomed home for moles. Hiding places were built into and under their home. Arnold Douwes knew he could always rely on them to take in moles temporarily. Towards the end of the war, the couple were betrayed and had to become moles themselves. The moles staying with them, Arnold, Herman and Peter, were not discovered during the house search.

Joost Pieter Bos and his wife, Goverdine, offered shelter to numerous Jewish moles and a French pilot.  In the Autumn of 1944 their home was raided in search of moles. The Jewish girl, Elly, they claimed successfully was their niece. Two Jewish boys they had hidden in the attic were not  found by the Germans and remained unharmed when the Germans shot through the ceiling to the attic.  Although no indications of moles were found, Joost Pieter Bos was arrested, interrogated and sent to Germany. He managed to escape and returned to the Netherlands.



Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: ymrader on July 13, 2018, 07:06:08 am
YM, how much is that then for an average flat? We don't do the square meter thing here so I have some difficulty.

I guess an average 2 bed flat 100sqm €1300 plus heating etc per month


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Dutch Rosie on July 13, 2018, 07:20:18 am
OMG, YM ! I remember my time in Berlin when all my friends were poor students but all had their own flats and paid what seemed to me to be very low rents.


Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: ymrader on July 13, 2018, 09:57:45 am
OMG, YM ! I remember my time in Berlin when all my friends were poor students but all had their own flats and paid what seemed to me to be very low rents.

Potsdam is now just as bad, they're renovating a building a couple of streets away. Flats will be sold at €13,000 sqm. €1.3m for a little 100sqm flat.



Title: Re: Possible new home
Post by: Dutch Rosie on July 13, 2018, 03:40:09 pm
That makes me sad. I have such happy memories of Berlin.